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MuZyar wrote:Now, for my post. Has anyone played with the Group Hug deck? It was meant for EDH but I recently built and used it in a free for all game. The deck is designed to give free gifts to all your opponents with no ulterior motives and no specific win conditions..

I have played against them. Or variations, one guy called it his 'christmas deck'. In my opinion, kill the pilot of these decks first. As an opponent, they _always_ seem to help your multiple opponents more than you. Yes you are giving me stuff, but others are getting more. Also, I don't trust anyone that says there deck doesn't have win conditions. That is aguy just hoping to lay low until it's just him and one other dude.

I figure a bunch of dorks would appreciate this: http://www.comicsalliance.com/2009/10/0 ... tatus-u?71

It's what Facebook would look like if superheroes had FB accounts. Definitely some funny ones in there.

ajrock83 wrote:I figure a bunch of dorks would appreciate this: http://www.comicsalliance.com/2009/10/0 ... tatus-u?71

It's what Facebook would look like if superheroes had FB accounts. Definitely some funny ones in there.

Freakin' amazing.

Ok... A bit off topic but this message is for Chewie and the gang about a paticlar issue that has arose.
I have a mate that HATES magic and my brother and I annoy him about it. But then he found out about you blokes and he made an account called BurnBurn. So he is going to spam the forums with various crap and if you can, you may want to block him.
I have threatened to kick him in the nuts but is looks like he is going to persist and do it with -1/-1 counter on him. I know that was a bad joke, but..... eh.

Your friend is an idiot and needs to grow up.

How does Zendikar rate?

I keep hearing how everybody loves Zendikar. Apparently I am not seeing it as everyone else does. I drafted it at the launch party and did very well. Still I was not impressed with the set as a whole. At best it is ok, but I am not getting too excited about it. Usually I am a casual multiplayer. I enjoy cards that work best in that sort of environment. But, I get the feeling that Zendikar was made more so for block, limited, and maybe a little constructed. To me the cards lack luster.

Now back to the launch party for a moment. Like I stated above I did well at the draft. I won the whole thing. My deck was white/blue flying control. From the first cards I saw I was trying to draft a white/green fatty or alley deck. I had great mana fixing, but neither the fatties nor allies ever came my way. Once I noticed the lack of good cards I thought about how everyone said blue was not a strong color and that nobody intended to play it. So, on my 5th pick I switched from green to blue. I was not happy about the cards I was getting, but at least I was getting them in my color. The final deck was a lot of blue flying with white for fog, removal and power boosters.

The fact that I won was not due to the great picks I made. I won because of two simple reasons. First, I was playing mostly flyers and no one was able to block me. Second, I was playing cheap fast agro weenies and everyone else appeared to be playing a much slower game. My games usually ended on turn 5 or 6, when my opponents seemed to be just getting started.

I admit that Landfall won me most of my games. It is a powerful mechanic in limited as well as constructed, but I do not believe it will work as good in a multiplayer game. Also I think the allies could be great in block constructed, but in a draft it is too hard to get enough to make a proper deck. The burn is not great, the control is not great, the green fatties are good, but not great. The set as a whole; NOT GREAT. Some people have said I just have not opened the right packs or that I just did not pick the right cards, or that it is me and not the set that is the problem. These all may be true, but it is hard for me to except their theories when I won the draft and still think the set stinks. Tell me your opinion, is Zendikar crap or I am I missing something.

I'm going to disagree. I love landfall in limited, as it takes the least fun aspect of the game, drawing a land late game, and turns it into something positive. All of the default deck strategies are there save monoblue control, it's really fun to see suicide black, Red deck wins, Monoblack control, monowhite control, and red-white weenie all viable strategies. And my deckbuilding senses are already going nuts making standard decks.
Kor Skyfisher does some crazy stuff, rite of replication and clone in the same format can do some pretty zany things.

And you did win because of good picks. You had a good curve, and lots of evasion. Blue White Skies was one of the best draft archetypes in m10 draft, and I've always done well with lots of flying in draft. It's not always about picking the bombs.

Not saying you're wrong, zendikar may not be for you. But I freaking love it.

A lot of people are probably still stuck on the slowness of Alara and M10 Limited while trying to play Zendikar. You did the right thing in building a deck that would end the game quickly. It's going to take a while before the majority of players pick up on the new rhythm.

Yeah, I went weenie aggro at the Shadowmoor Prelease and went 3-0-1 for the day for the same reason. As soon as a new format starts, people will be drawn to the big flashy stuff and leave themselves open in the early game. If you can't go bombastic, just go for aggro/evade and rely on creature combat.

I agree. fast is good if you can end the game before they play there bombs. Just don't fizzle out, cause you'll die. I myself have been playing mono-red rush since Futre Sight and It's never worked until Zendikar came out. This is for two reasons: The first, as you blokes said earlier, is that Zendikar is slowing the game down a bit, and secondly, VAMPIRES. Literally one third to half of everyone at my last FNM played vampires and as much as its cool, red hates it. So yay red.
I take that vampire comment back... I played against a vamp deck with quest for the gravelord and died. Darn me for playing ball lightning, hellsparks and elemental appeals.

MuZyar wrote:How does Zendikar rate?
I keep hearing how everybody loves Zendikar. Apparently I am not seeing it as everyone else does. I drafted it at the launch party and did very well. Still I was not impressed with the set as a whole. At best it is ok, but I am not getting too excited about it. Usually I am a casual multiplayer. I enjoy cards that work best in that sort of environment. But, I get the feeling that Zendikar was made more so for block, limited, and maybe a little constructed. To me the cards lack luster.

MuZar, dont be so down on Zendikar for Casual Multiplayer.
There are a lot of subtle and not so subtle cards for that format.
One of the things about MP, is there are typically more turns than a dual. More turns = more land in play.
Things like Iona, Valukat, Emeria, all reward the casual Multi-player more than duals.
Cards with the big kickers...like Rite of Replication and Conqueror's Pledge have MP all over them.
There are also cards that make your early drops not so useless.
Scute Mob is a solid creature for MP, as it can sneak under the radar till its too big to ignore.
Gigantiform turns your llanowar elves or bird of paradise into something useful late game.
Even the cards that have kickers like 'Tap a vampire' have value, because you just tap the weak critters that arent doing you any good anymore
Beastmaster Ascension and the Eldrazi Monument have token army written all over them.
Allies pair well with Ghostway. - Go ahead...look that awesome tech up.
And Turntimber Ranger + Artificial Evolution = Awesome (change "wolf" to "ally")
Most of the traps dont actually require you to target the opponent that triggered them.

All it all its got a lot of possibilities.

One thing to note about Zendikar is that you'll get less value out of your landfall guys because there will be less total game turns where you may drop lands (generally speaking). In a dual, you may drop lands on an opponent's turn from tap/sack and fetch abilities. You can do this in multi, but tap effects in general are less useful in multiplayer because there are more people to attack you once you're tapped out.

On the plus side, multiplayer games tends to result in a piling up of armies, so late in the game all you really need to do is drop a land to pump a big chunk of your field. You're trading the average size/perks of creatures throughout the game for one big aggressive turn when everything is in place, which can be fun. You probably won't have to worry too much about being run over in the early turns (as there is less attacking going on), so you'll be free to drop one land, attack heavily, and after blockers are declared (but before damage is calculated) drop two more lands with a Harrow. Bam.

I haven't seen anyone mention it yet, but it looks like the Mythic in the Sliver Premium is Sliver Overlord.

http://www.wizards.com/Magic/Magazine/A ... arcana/304

The most uninteresting option, in my opinion.

Agreed. He doesn't support your slivers, just fetches them. And they could've done the same thing with homing sliver.